The annoying part about posting with you is that in every other thread I read with you in I say "Tippia is so right."

I've literally been doing that for years.

Yeah. That's my feeling too. The just replace on silly thing by another.

But let's wait and see what the other dev blogs have to tell us.

Yes, you gain one step (if you chose to) to work from a POS, but will lose countless other steps and time sinks.

We'll see what the other blogs hold, but I'm pretty confident the end result will be the ability to manage all of your research and production related jobs from where ever you happen to be, and with a minimum number of mouse clicks (read batches of jobs)... all of which start immediately without waiting for a slot to open.

So are you, tbf - but both of you are quite nice so no need to get uppity about it :P
One day, Trippia is going to drunkpost and cartwheel naked across the forums, just randomly making stuff up. Telling you.

In the meantime, it's entirely permissable to shuffle your feet and mutter "Whatever, mother". I bet even the devs do it.

In case people are interested, that's around 13400 new moons added to the pool of highsec anchorable moons (currently around 33000)

Or...as the next 4 dev blogs will reveal, this is just the first step in eviscerating high sec industry and null sec industry will be given even MORE advantages that make it impossible to run either a casual high sec indy corp or a large scale dedicated industrial corp.

Heh. Just thinking it'll take a wee while to fill up.

Come on. Post the next blog already.

The UI: oooooo, shiny.

CCP, some slack???

First off, I fail to see how this is a huge nerf to Supercaps Online.
A POS with BPO's in it has still less risk of being hit than a tower with a CSAA, since a CSAA is a beacon.

And we all know that supercap mfg towers are seldom hit, though it does happen. goons don't even ALLOW their renters to make supercaps, and the goons have their industrial might buried deep in very safe enclaves.

Don't compare Eve to Wow. You know better than that.

These changes, along with the subsequent blogs, are targeted at wrecking high sec industry.
If the CSM's goal with these changes was to reduce the amount of casual players subscribing to the game, they certainly have achieved it.

CCP has repeatedly tried, and failed, to entice high-sec players to take more risks and engage in PVP. But, the highest priority of high-sec players has always been "safety" - this is why they stay in high-sec. No reason to expect this player behavior to change.

I've been watching a similar safety-vs-efficiency trade-off with high-sec mining. Retrievers/Mackinaws and Covetors/Hulks are still the most commonly used mining ships, but Procurer/Skiff usage has definitely been on a steady rise, as ganking continues to spread.

We really need the rest of that information, as half of the people in this thread are pulling their hair out at the prospect of things that will probably never happen.

ISK sink = you're paying the workers in your facility. and for repairs, and for retooling the lines as needed. Or something.

I'd expect/hope that POS costs are lower as a baseline, as you're paying for fuel as well. But it can work out. (paying for the faster production time)

Need more blogs. Any real discussion on this isn't possible until we have the whole picture.

ok, all this is interesting but: 1) no standing needed for pos? really

On top of the fuel costs? POS users have to pay twice otherwise... once to keep the tower running, and a second time to pay those additional scaling costs? Will this be compensated by lowering the initial fuel costs the POS eats up? Or by giving them extremely great scaling conditions? Otherwise POS users may not be able to compete with prices of station users.

Basically, you are damaging the currently active game mechanic in order to support a legacy one that does not exist any more.

Also is the main reason why we keep throwing money at SC at an insane rate, the beauty of industry and science in EVE is already vanished.. EVE now is more about being the biggest badass and villan including the excesive ussage of mayo. Not to mention the fact that for being competitive you have to take EVE as a secondary job, not a game.

Hint: Star Citizen is a scam. They are walking away with your money.

No, but we may be able to offer some counselling

I will just leave this here...

Is this supposed to be a surprising statement? Nice advertisement for heading to Nullsec. This is what the EVE box has said since day one: null is supposed to have the best resources in the game... stuff worth fighting over... "inspire" battles and market demand for all the stuff we can make and sell. If players are not up to the very hard job of organizing a force to unseat an existing nullsec power, some decide its worth paying a "rental fee" to a sov-holder for access to that better stuff. Null is where the "end game" content is. You can't play SuperCaps Online(tm) in highsec.

Honest question. What form of eve do you envision that supports the current levels of activity and interaction in highsec without highsec?

You need to have a bit more faith
Our devs are only really silly every few years - don't be so jaded from other games. Seagull looks capable of keeping them in line. And really, if you're concerned to the point you think indy interests are under-represented on things like the CSM, why not run yourself, or endorse a candidate? There's at least 5 people I can think of active in MD with the influence to sponsor a pure indy candidate (across various blocs). Considering the last one was LVV (?) and he was recruited by CCP, there is a gap. It's not going to get filled unless some of you use that accrued influence for collective benefit.

"Sandbox" does not mean "the game is meant to be played the way I want to play it." It means the game has no goals and users have to create their own content.

People like you always seem to confuse the concepts of "viable" and "optimal". Just because something isn't optimal doesn't mean it's not viable. Highsec will be sub-optimal in some respects, but that doesn't mean it won't be viable as an industrial location.

I seriously hope that you will not be another fail CSM member like the ones so far, there is just enough kick in the ass for indy people already. Or if CCP wants us out, just let us know.

Somebody mentioned ESO earlier.. maybe I'm missing something, but manufacturing in ESO? I rather preffer GW2 for that, at least the market, inventions and even the manufacturing is the closest to what we have in EVE. Ofc.. it's still a themepark, but hey...

You mean smart enough to adapt?

How's that conservative right-wing unregulated banking sector working for you these days?

With all the doom and gloom surrounding mining during a wardec, it makes you wonder how any mining occurs in nullsec, where you are not only effectively under a wardec from everyone at the same time, but also vulnerable to hotdrops.

It costs you 50 million to wardec me....

It costs me a billion plus a week if i stop mining...

yep its fair.

With all the doom and gloom surrounding mining during a wardec, it makes you wonder how any mining occurs in nullsec, where you are not only effectively under a wardec from everyone at the same time, but also vulnerable to hotdrops.

Ah, yes, thank you.

What I've never understood about this whole "nullsec is safe" thing is that, sure, the tools exist to mitigate risk in nullsec. However, they're not specific to nullsec -- anyone in any area of space (with a non-delayed local) can use the same tools. Why do highsec dwellers refuse to use the same tools that nullsec has?